1. I think if the first claim is not proven yet, I don’t think the second claim can help the first one. It is hard to elaborate and chain the reasons if we do not have the bridge, which the ‘accepted claim’. If the arguer wants to refer to the second claim, in order to make sense of the first one, I think it is not going to work. I think the second claim will turn out to be the first, which will bring reason to discover the second claim. I agree with the level of dispute. In order to prove the unproven claim, we must find out the proven argument then we can move to find out the unproven claim.
2. I think there are differences between what the arguers’ thinking vs. the arguer’s words. There are several points why the arguer is not truly conveyed what their intentions are. It is because of their situation and the audience. Their situation is the important thing that will affect their words. I think the article gave a very good example of the President Lincoln delivered the Gettysburg Address. However, I don’t think that the entire messages that he delivered were come purely from his heart. He delivered the Address and said that all people should honor those who died. In the other hand, I think it was because of the situation that the United States was in the hard time and the audience needed his support to rebuild their country. Therefore, he wrote the Address that will encourage his people – The American. We never know what he was truly thinking. In my home country, we should not argue or tell our intention directly, because it will hurt someone’s feeling. If we want to argue we should choose a polite ways or languages that will support our ideas, and not hurting their feelings. So, I agree with the text that “how our language choice affects our arguments.”
3. I do have a same experience like Venus had. I never think deeply about argument. Sometimes, if I have an argument with my friends, I probably will leave the place or just agree with them, so the problem will solve immediately. Argument is a process of communication. Even though, sometimes it happens inside of yourself, but you still communicate with your inner speech. When I read about this question, I find myself thinking of the STOP sign. When I pass the STOP sign, I get the message that I must stop for three second before I continue. People never argue about the STOP sign, because they know what it is for. Sometimes, argument is not happening because we do not put our interest in the matter; however, if we think about matters that surrounds us, everything can be the justification for the argument.
Wednesday, February 11, 2009
Thursday, February 5, 2009
Today class discussion.
I just found that today class was interesting. I loved our discussion about the toys' article and the news article about President Obama.
It is really interesting when the newspaper article discuss about the used of Facebook. I think right now Facebook is so popular that any one must have one. Facebook make their own community. I felt that Facebook becomes the place where I can find any new information about my friends. It also becomes the place where I can get in touch with my friends from Indonesia and other countries; however, I think it becomes addiction to the majority of people and people think that it is our needs to make a Facebook. Interesting example for me was my mother, who not understand how to use a computer or internet, wants to make a Facebook, because she thinks that Facebook is a need. So, I think by using Facebook brings advantages for President Obama. He made himself closer to teenagers, youth.
Finally, I also loved our discussion about the toys' advertisement. I think toys bring many impact for children, especially the video games. My cousins, who are between 11 - 14 years old, love to watch smack down. They not only love to watch the action, but they practice the actions with each other. I think it is very dangerous, because it can make others hurt. In reality, one time in Indonesia, there were several children died because they were playing smack down. Therefore, I think there must be limits for kids.
It is really interesting when the newspaper article discuss about the used of Facebook. I think right now Facebook is so popular that any one must have one. Facebook make their own community. I felt that Facebook becomes the place where I can find any new information about my friends. It also becomes the place where I can get in touch with my friends from Indonesia and other countries; however, I think it becomes addiction to the majority of people and people think that it is our needs to make a Facebook. Interesting example for me was my mother, who not understand how to use a computer or internet, wants to make a Facebook, because she thinks that Facebook is a need. So, I think by using Facebook brings advantages for President Obama. He made himself closer to teenagers, youth.
Finally, I also loved our discussion about the toys' advertisement. I think toys bring many impact for children, especially the video games. My cousins, who are between 11 - 14 years old, love to watch smack down. They not only love to watch the action, but they practice the actions with each other. I think it is very dangerous, because it can make others hurt. In reality, one time in Indonesia, there were several children died because they were playing smack down. Therefore, I think there must be limits for kids.
Monday, February 2, 2009
Questions. 02/02 - 02/06
Question week 2.
1.The story about Turning Triumph is really interesting. Burke elaborates rhetoric in every analysis that observers are making about the Challenger. In Turning Triumph, Burke wrote about “dramatistic” approach. From my point of view, in everything that happened in our lives, there must be a drama. There is always drama in the simplest things. For example, when my best friend went to Los Angeles for study, my friends and I cried and we were really sad. The feeling that we had was like we were never going to see her again, which was so dramatize. In the story Turning Triumph, Burke analyze that analysis of drama developed the consideration the matter of motives in a perspective. “Understood and interpreted through this perspective emphasizing the interdependent and active relationship between rhetoric and situation.” I wonder why there should be a drama in every situation? And why can drama affect people’s perspective?
2.In the story, there is also one part about Identification. In the chapter, identification is important because it is the connection between speaker and audience. For example, when President Barrack Obama said that ‘we’ have hope to change this nation. The word ‘we’ represents all Americans. With this method, President Obama invites his entire fellow citizens to feel included. I think identification is important, since it will develop the relationship between speaker and the audience; however, I think there is a limitation for included people as one group, because not all people want to become part of the group. How do you think about this identification? Is it a good way to include people? Or can it make a distance between speaker and audience?
3.Reading The Philosophy of Literacy Form was really difficult. It was hard to understand the full meaning of what Burke is trying to say. One of the examples that Burke wrote was about different type of snow. He wrote that “a different name for snow implies a different kind of hunt.” That means that they have many types of snow and have different meaning. It is related to our social situation. For example, if we talk about rain, there are shower and pour rain. It has different interpretation. I don’t know if I get the meaning of the chapter correct or not; however, from my point of view, philosophy sometimes is not the best way to describe something, because people can interpret things differently. There can be a misunderstanding between the writer and the audience. How others think about philosophy? Is it a good thing?
1.The story about Turning Triumph is really interesting. Burke elaborates rhetoric in every analysis that observers are making about the Challenger. In Turning Triumph, Burke wrote about “dramatistic” approach. From my point of view, in everything that happened in our lives, there must be a drama. There is always drama in the simplest things. For example, when my best friend went to Los Angeles for study, my friends and I cried and we were really sad. The feeling that we had was like we were never going to see her again, which was so dramatize. In the story Turning Triumph, Burke analyze that analysis of drama developed the consideration the matter of motives in a perspective. “Understood and interpreted through this perspective emphasizing the interdependent and active relationship between rhetoric and situation.” I wonder why there should be a drama in every situation? And why can drama affect people’s perspective?
2.In the story, there is also one part about Identification. In the chapter, identification is important because it is the connection between speaker and audience. For example, when President Barrack Obama said that ‘we’ have hope to change this nation. The word ‘we’ represents all Americans. With this method, President Obama invites his entire fellow citizens to feel included. I think identification is important, since it will develop the relationship between speaker and the audience; however, I think there is a limitation for included people as one group, because not all people want to become part of the group. How do you think about this identification? Is it a good way to include people? Or can it make a distance between speaker and audience?
3.Reading The Philosophy of Literacy Form was really difficult. It was hard to understand the full meaning of what Burke is trying to say. One of the examples that Burke wrote was about different type of snow. He wrote that “a different name for snow implies a different kind of hunt.” That means that they have many types of snow and have different meaning. It is related to our social situation. For example, if we talk about rain, there are shower and pour rain. It has different interpretation. I don’t know if I get the meaning of the chapter correct or not; however, from my point of view, philosophy sometimes is not the best way to describe something, because people can interpret things differently. There can be a misunderstanding between the writer and the audience. How others think about philosophy? Is it a good thing?
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